low insulin or blood sugar?

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01 Nov, 2013 01:27 PM

I have been following your diet for 2+ years and it has really helped. However, this question has been bugging me the whole time. Which is more important? Low insulin or blood sugar?
My fastings are mid 80's usually. I eat 3x a day all consisting of 12-15 g protein and a smallish salad with a side of additional low starch veggies. The question is...if I use a bunch of fat, my BS goes up about 25-30 points and takes about 2 hours or more to come back down to almost fasting. It rarely goes above 120 but if it does it really bothers me.(should it?) If I use low fat (a TBSP or less) it only goes up about 15 and sometimes less and comes back down much faster. I understand the fat blunts or slows the insulin response and the protein spikes the insulin but is it more important to have the insulin blunted or the insulin to drive the nutrients into my cells? I also wouldn't think, but correct me if I'm wrong, that my insulin couldn't spike that high on 12-15 g protein. I also only eat in a 6 hour window, noon, 3 and 6 and no snacks so that as well should keep my insulin low. I also find the more fat I eat the more weight I Iose and at 5'8 and 110 that is not my goal so I would prefer lower fat but want to make sure my blood sugar is good as well as my insulin. I know you can have low BS and high insulin. I just don't know how to approach this and would love some advice!!

Thank you so much

  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by Ken on 01 Nov, 2013 04:47 PM

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    Hi Kristin

    I'm not qualified to answer your question but I do have a question to ask.
    What type of low fat do you use - olive oil, MCT Oil, Coconut Oil, etc.

    Hopefully Dr. Ron can swing by with an answer for you.

    Much appreciated and glad to see others on here that have been using Dr. Ron's Health Plan for awhile ..

    Wishing you the best ...

    Ken Smith, Farmington, Mo.

  2. 2 Posted by Kristin Nagel on 01 Nov, 2013 06:26 PM

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    olive oil for the most part. Coconut oil does not agree with me. Occasionally I’ll use a tich of ghee but am dairy free otherwise.
    Why do you ask? Does it make a difference for you? I have been keto for many years and am just trying to keep my type 2 as ‘healthy’ as possible. I can keep my BS low but the rage is to keep insulin low. I can do that with fats but I lose too much weight and also wondering if keeping it too low, I’m not feeding my cells and sort of starving myself. Not sure if any of this makes sense. I need some professional advice and so far the Rosedale Diet has not failed me so I’d like to know what Dr Ron has to say. I sure hope he (or staff) chimes in. In reality, I probably do a little of both because I don’t eat the same things everday but I do eat about the same portions. Somedays I’m a little hungrier than others but I just eat more veggies but then I add more fat to slow digestion and that’s when I get higher readings.

    Thanks for responding though

  3. Support Staff 3 Posted by Ken on 02 Nov, 2013 12:35 AM

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    Hi Kristin

    I have been doing a little experimenting with olive oil & MCT Oil for a few weeks now - kinda watching how my system responds - mainly trying to discover how to better improve my long term health.

    Dr. Ron's plan has been a lifesaver for me and say that without reservation. My health was going down hill fairly fast just little over a year ago and I have been around long enough to know that I would have been very fortunate if I would have been alive within 3 to five years.

    I have a lot to be thankful for - I have worked with patients younger than me that were dying from diabetes and its related afflictions.

    As of this past June my doctor after a year of great lab results has taken me out of the system as being a type2 diabetic - it is great to be able to get off 3 daily meds and 1 daily injection for it.

    I am curious what kind of results others are having with olive oil, etc. I can't give Dr. Ron's work enough props - it's simple but really is a miracle. I think at times folks try to make it to complicated, many do I think because of all the hype from big money.

    Guess I need not get on my soap-box - at least not now :-)

    Sincerely Wishing you the best of health in the days ahead ...

    Ken Smith, Farmington, Mo.

  4. 4 Posted by Kristin Nagel on 03 Nov, 2013 01:10 AM

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    Have you discovered anything? Which MCT oil ?

  5. Support Staff 5 Posted by Ken on 03 Nov, 2013 03:22 AM

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    Hi Kristin
    Haven't discovered any major things as yet..

    I like the taste of the MCT but it does cost more than olive - I haven't used it like I have the olive oil - I think after the first of the year I'll give it a good trial period, I'm thinking maybe a 90 day time frame and see how my system responds. I'm also thinking of maybe one day olive oil and then next day with MCT Oil.

    This » MCT Oil

    Ken Smith, Farmington, Mo.

  6. 6 Posted by Kristin Nagel on 03 Nov, 2013 04:23 AM

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    What kinds have you tried? Coconut? That makes me nauseous and a headache. What other kinds are there besides palm?

  7. Support Staff 7 Posted by Ken on 03 Nov, 2013 12:42 PM

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    Hi Kristin
    Coconut is all I have tried, no problems with it. Haven't checked into any others.

    I will get into it more around Feb 2014.

    I have been waiting until Dr. Ron's vitamin/supplements and new material are available before getting to far ahead.

    Ken Smith, Farmington, Mo.

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