Hormone communication and hunger

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01 Jun, 2017 02:52 AM

Dr Rosedale diet states that we should eat when hungry and stop when satisfied.
I believe that the feelings of hunger and satiety are controlled by hormone communication.
However, when overweight or obese, due to hormone communication resistance (insulin or leptin) the hunger or satiety signales may not exist or may not be valid. In my case neither existed for years now. It is just now coming back, slowly.

How do we judge the timing and quantity for the foods we should eat? I have been using the clock and calories for the amount and now the Rosedale diet for the type of food.
Is this the correct approach or is there a better way until the full hunger and satiety signals become apparent?

  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by Ken on 01 Jun, 2017 09:20 PM

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    Hi Fhutt

    Dr. Rosedale's approach "will begin" to restore the hormone communication that you mention in about 3 weeks, but his recommendations of low carb, moderate protein and high fat - such as olive oil must be followed. It is a life time commitment.

    His Diet is about overall health, losing un-needed weight is only one of many benefits that will occur.



    The following links contain information that will be beneficial..

    Excess Protein    Measuring Protein    Calculating Protein    Fat Amount    Putting On Weight



  2. 2 Posted by fhutt on 01 Jun, 2017 10:16 PM

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    Thank you Ken.
    The links you provided were especially helpful.
    As I am doing quite well as I am doing, I will continue until my hormones start behaving a little better. I have been doing this properly for only about a week.

  3. Support Staff 3 Posted by Ken on 01 Jun, 2017 10:22 PM

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    To some degree the body will have a (hissy fit) which varies. You will know when the fat burning kicks in - it will surprise you.


  4. 4 Posted by fhutt on 01 Jun, 2017 10:41 PM

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    I am not sure by what you mean by a "hissy fit", but I have been in ketosis (utine about 40mg/dL). This happens to me after about 3 - 4 days on low carbohydrate (about 20gm carb in vegetables).
    Over the years on Atkins repeatedly I am used to lowering carbs, it is the lowering proteins as well that is difficult to get used to.
    It appears that Dr. Rosedale doesn't advocate fasting to help. Do you think that fasting is beneficial here?

  5. Support Staff 5 Posted by Ken on 01 Jun, 2017 10:51 PM

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    • Sorry, Hissy Fit: craving carbs/sweets, cranky feeling, headaches/body aches

    • I think at this time fasting would put an unwanted/unneeded stress on the body.


  6. 6 Posted by fhutt on 01 Jun, 2017 11:06 PM

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    Thank you for the definition. Luckily, I don't have those feelings.
    I am asking about fasting because I am already used to doing 42 hour fasting from Dr Fung's writings. Dr. Fung only presents the diet in principle, that's why I like DR Roseale's literature. He goes into a lot of detail.
    By unwanted and unneeded at this time, do you mean only now and later it will benefit or not benefit later either?

  7. Support Staff 7 Posted by Ken on 01 Jun, 2017 11:15 PM

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    Personally I think that fasting for a 42 hour period, even when one has been a fat burner for some time is too much. Skipping a single meal from time to time, perhaps once a week would be okay.


  8. 8 Posted by fhutt on 01 Jun, 2017 11:22 PM

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    I think what you are saying is that it not of much extra benefit beyond the low carb and lower protein of the diet itself.

    However, even though the diet advocates low carbs, even those carbs convert to some glucose therefore raising insulin. Wouldn't skipping a meal and/or fasting allow insulin to really fall to help with reversing the insulin resistance?

  9. Support Staff 9 Posted by Ken on 01 Jun, 2017 11:33 PM

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    Avoiding the non-fiber carbs is a key.

    When the body is put under too much stress BG/BS will raise and so will insulin output.


  10. 10 Posted by fhutt on 01 Jun, 2017 11:45 PM

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    Could you please expand the "BG/BS". I think BG might be glucose, but maybe I am wrong.
    Could you let me know what they are?

  11. Support Staff 11 Posted by Ken on 01 Jun, 2017 11:49 PM

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    Blood Glucose -- Blood Sugar


  12. 12 Posted by fhutt on 02 Jun, 2017 12:35 AM

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    Sorry, that should have been obvious.
    Thank you so much for your help with the hormones, protein and fasting.

  13. Support Staff 13 Posted by Ken on 02 Jun, 2017 12:39 AM

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    You are welcome


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