Excess protein, carbs and Ketosis

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17 Jun, 2012 07:16 PM

I'm about 4 weeks into Dr Rosedale's program and I would like to know if I am understanding this correctly.
(I realize everyone's optimal values vary, but for sake of the question....)

Assume my daily intake (divided correctly across meals) should be 70g protein, 50g carbs, remaining calories from fat.
This should place me and keep me in Ketosis....

According to Dr. Rosedale's analysis, excess protein (more than your body can process per hour) is converted to glucose (just like carbs).
So if I regularly ate 170 g of protein / day, from my body's point of view,
1) Would the extra 100g of protein be viewed as 'carb-like or as I call them pCarbs' and
2) Thus raise my effective daily carb intake to 150g (50g carbs + 100g pCarbs) and
3) Throw me out of Ketosis?

Just trying to get my head around all the conflicting theories out there about fat and protein amounts

  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by Dr. Rosedale on 25 Jun, 2012 05:05 AM

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    Great question. It will raise effective carb intake, but not by the full amount, as the protein is deaminated and the nitrogen waste excreted, but prior to elimination it circulates as a poison (urea and ammonia). You will likely still stay in ketosis as you will be burning the amino acids rather than the ketones...that is not so good.

    Dr. Ron

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  3. 3 Posted by John Theobald on 14 Dec, 2013 04:47 AM

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    According to R. Woodyatt about 58% protein is anti ketogenic just like carbohydrates which are 100% anti ketogenic. Fat is only 10% anti ketogenic and 90% ketogenic.

    Dr Rosedale's diet is clearly ketogenic. I put a calculator which tells you how ketogenic your diet is. Eating the first three week type of Dr. Rosedale's diet is about a ketogenic ration of about 2.1 or clearly ketogenic.

    My blog is at http://www.flexibleketogenic.com/ When you put in the figures it immediately becomes clear what happens with too much protein

  4. Support Staff 4 Posted by Ken on 15 Dec, 2013 01:57 AM

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    Greetings John

    I find your Ketone Calculator interesting and will be giving it a test drive - I have been in a testing mode since Feb 2013 and it appears that it will be of help in focusing on the amount of carbs, protein and fat that I consume.

    Wishing you the best in your endeavors ...
    Thanks for posting ...

    Ken Smith, Farmington, Mo. USA

  5. 5 Posted by John Theobald on 04 Jan, 2014 09:28 PM

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    According to the research by Dr. Rollin Woodyatt each of the macro nutrients contribute the following on a scale where 1.0 is totally ketogenic and zero is totally non ketogenic.

    Protein .79 ketogenic and .21 non ketogenic IE. 21% of protein has the effect of carbohydrate.

    Carbohydrate 0.0 which is 100% non ketogenic.

    Fat .90 ketogenic and .10 non ketogenic. IE 10% of fat has the effect of carbohydrate.

    I hope this clarifies on the effects of protein on the diet.

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