familial combined hyperlipidemia plus previous dmII
- which fats/foods in case of statin treated familial combined hyperlipemia and which to avoid (any link/ref for a list)?
- very low carb solved my dm without medication, and APOB/1A normalized, but the allowed foods might conflict with the above
- I suppose you do not reccommend to stop statins and fall back to 11 mmol total cholesterol?
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Support Staff 1 Posted by Fiona on 02 Apr, 2012 12:03 PM
Dear Edwin,
It looks like you have some reading to catch up on so that you can understand Dr. Ron's thoughts on cholesterol and especially statins. You can do to this page first, and I suggest you read Insulin and Its Metabolic Effects, also Cholesterol is NOT the cause of heart disease, though if you really want to take your health and your future in the right direction I would read everything you can get your hands on about rosedale/health. He is the doctor of the future and for many years far too ahead of the curve for people to even understand. Finally the time has come where the studies are slowing catching up to Dr. Ron and supporting what he has been teaching for the past 20 years. If you are on statins, you really MUST READ, I hate to be so terribly blunt, but as Dr. Rosedale would say, no good doctor would ever put their patients on a statin drug.
All of the above writings are available for down load on the link below.
http://drrosedale.com/rosedale_writing.htm
Also please go to www.drrosedale.com/blog and listen to many of the audio's and interviews. Read, Read, Read. It is important for everyone, but especially important for someone on statins.
Wishing you the best of health.
2 Posted by Edwin on 02 Apr, 2012 08:26 PM
I did and my question arose from reading. I still am curious about whether a profile of 264/36/210/86 (tot/HDL/LDL/trigl) on 80 atorvastatine with slightly abnormal APO-B/1A and normal lpa, on very low carb, would be safe to have statins omitted, in dr Rosedale's opinion. I came from 464 total chol without statins. Is this really the advise to patients with familial combined dyslipidemia? Bernstein is making an exception for this category.
Support Staff 3 Posted by Fiona on 03 Apr, 2012 07:53 AM
This is a direct quote from Dr. Rosedale in response to your email. 'I am not making an acception in this case, all that matters is the tryglycerides and the particle size. Statin drugs have no place in medicine. If drugs must be used then fibrates would be a far superior drug such as gemfibrozil. THIS SHOULD NOT BE USED WITH STATIN DRUGS.' Dr. Ron's preference would be that no cholesterol drugs be used, but rather increase the particle size using the Rosedale diet so that they become beneficial rather and harmful. Disclosure, this is a general recommendation and not a recommended treatment as we do not have your case file, your history, and we are not allowed to treat over a help line but we can give generalized information based on other patients with similar data of doctor Ron's that were treated in this fashion. As with all medical practices, the typical American list of disclosures must be present.
We wish you the best of health.
The Rosedale Team.
4 Posted by Edwin on 03 Apr, 2012 07:57 AM
Thanks, this is a very clear answer. (Of course my own responsibility)
Support Staff 5 Posted by Fiona on 03 Apr, 2012 08:06 AM
Dr. Ron as you can tell is very passionate about the detriments of statins, and many other things. I could share many many stories about Dr. Ron taking people off operating tables about to go under the knife for triple bypasses by just changing their diet, taking them off statins and giving them a few simple supplements. The amazing results worked just as well for many other diseases as well.
6 Posted by Edwin on 06 Apr, 2012 05:14 PM
Suppose one has followed your dietary suggestions (and no pills) precisely and long enough to judge any effect, and cholesterol spectrum and APO's are still significantly out of the normal range in fam. comb. hyperlip., in case of an otherwise healthy person. What kind of intervention would you still suggest after that? Many out there who would like to know.
Thanks
Support Staff 7 Posted by Fiona on 06 Apr, 2012 06:03 PM
Particle size?
Fiona
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8 Posted by Edwin on 07 Apr, 2012 01:16 PM
As measured by APO-B: 1.07 g/l (just before stopping (no claim :)) atorvastatin 80mg; official target < 0.9, and just before switching from the stay-away-from nuts dogma for insulin resistant people, to a little more carbs in exchange for maybe too much saturated fats); APO-1A very low.
9 Posted by edwin on 07 Apr, 2012 01:18 PM
sorry, erratum: APO-1A 1.0, lpa very low
Support Staff 10 Posted by Fiona on 08 Apr, 2012 11:20 AM
LDL particle size as indicated by VAP test is all Dr. Ron would be interested in. Did not follow your message above. It is easier to follow one plan and not sections from many plans. I have seen amazing results from very sick people on the Rosedale program. Low carb, moderate protein, fat diet. Though if you prefer to follow a higher carb, low fat, fruit diet for example then your particle size will remain small which is not what you want.
Hope this helps.
The Rosedale Team.
11 Posted by Edwin on 18 Apr, 2012 08:07 PM
What I mean is: in heterozygous familial hypercholesterolemia diet alone in many cases will not be sufficient to reduce bad particles. Those people need advise too. I am not convinced that demonizing statins in those cases is correct - or healthy. Maybe the diet normalizes risks for normals with acquired elevated cholesterol. A wise mix of Rosedale, Bernstein and Taubes works tremendous on weight and diabetes and lipid profile, but I would suggest a separate chapter on this common FH disorder (1:500), as witholding statins with/without niacin/ezembitide might be (or might not be) lethal in those people.
thanks for your replies
12 Posted by edwin on 22 Apr, 2012 07:41 PM
http://lavida.kgnu.net/audio/shows/329.mp3 Just found this interview with the answer to my question. Courageous and very interesting, as it includes most FH! Now looking for vap equivalent in EU.
Support Staff 13 Posted by Fiona on 22 Apr, 2012 08:00 PM
It is a great interview. You can find all of these on our blog www.drrosedale.com/blog or on Shelley's site at http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/category/expert-witnesses/ron-rosedale/
Fiona closed this discussion on 22 Apr, 2012 08:00 PM.
Fiona re-opened this discussion on 23 Apr, 2012 05:26 PM
Support Staff 14 Posted by Fiona on 23 Apr, 2012 05:26 PM
In response to your point
"What I mean is: in heterozygous familial hypercholesterolemia diet alone in many cases will not be sufficient to reduce bad particles. Those people need advise too. I am not convinced that demonizing statins in those cases is correct - or healthy. Maybe the diet normalizes risks for normals with acquired elevated cholesterol. A wise mix of Rosedale, Bernstein and Taubes works tremendous on weight and diabetes and lipid profile, but I would suggest a separate chapter on this common FH disorder (1:500), as witholding statins with/without niacin/ezembitide might be (or might not be) lethal in those people. thanks for your replies"
First, Rosedale is about a decade ahead of Taube's and has a medical/science/metabolic back ground that he has put in to practice with his patients over a couple of decades. Taubes is a science writer gathering his data from others. Dr. Rosedale stands firm in his response above from April 3rd, 'Statin drugs have no place in medicine. If drugs must be used then fibrates would be a far superior drug such as gemfibrozil. THIS SHOULD NOT BE USED WITH STATIN DRUGS.' There is no need for a separate chapter on this as you suggested.
Wishing you the best of health.
15 Posted by Allegra on 24 Aug, 2013 08:47 PM
I am a 54 year-old Mexican woman, and have had lipid problems for five years. I was diagnosed with familial combined hyperlipidaemia. I have been taking statins (on and off trying alternative medicine which didn´t work) since the problem started.
I resumed my statin treatment three months ago, since my levels went up again.
I started with Crestor five years ago , then switched to Simivastatin (depressed my immune system) and I am currently taking 20 mg pravastatin and 200 mg bezafibrate once a day.
My tryglicerid levels are normal now, 112 but my cholesterol is still high, 222 , HDL 61 and LDL 139.
I am 5 kilos overweight and have been exercising for three months.
I have been reading articles about the side effects of statins, I manifested my concern to my physician but he said that in my case, there is no other solution.
I have ptosis, and the doctors says it is because of my cholesterol levels. One of the things I have noticed is that my skin has sagged dramatically in the last three months.
I do want to stop taking statins, the side effects really scare me.
I would really appreciate your help in this matter.
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