protein requirements & pork

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amjfetzer

17 May, 2011 05:36 PM

I've used the guidelines in the book to 1. determine my daily protein requirements & 2. make my food choices. I noted on the website that a different method is used to determine daily protein requirement. Which is best; the one in the book or on the website? Also, in the book 3 types of pork are listed as OK after the first 3 weeks, but on the webite there is conflicting info on pork. In one area it indicates no pork at all and at another it indicates pork is OK in limited quantities after the first 3 weeks? What is the recommendation on pork?

Thank you!

Audrey

  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by Fiona on 17 May, 2011 06:35 PM

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    Dear Audrey,

    Thank you for your message and sorry for the conflicting information. I will double check the web site, but it should equal the same. So, i am 60kg, and we all have some fat even at a perfect weight, so 1 gram of protein per kg of lean mass. So, 60 grams of protein, minus 10% which would be around 54grams. If i exercise quite a bit i can raise that to maybe 58-60. I am about 5.9.

    Pork. I really need to get Dr. Rosedale to write an article or do a radio interview on pork to share his views. As you can tell, he is not a fan of pork, but for reasons many would never expect. So, yes technically you can count this towards your protein intake.

    • However, when you hear his views on why he does not eat much if any pork you might also follow his path. I heard his response to this question just once several years ago, and now I might have pork once or twice a year, and will never go out of my way to have it!

    Best of health,
    The Rosedale Team

  2. 2 Posted by amjfetzer on 18 May, 2011 04:35 PM

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    Hi Fiona,

    I'm 62 years of age, 5'8" with a large frame and presently weigh 192;
    obviously overweight/obese. However all the charts I find indicate that my
    ideal weight should be somewhere between 146lb - 167lb. If I take the
    average of 155lbs and use the kg multiplier of 0.453592kg per lb then my
    ideal weigh in kg is 70kg. Therefore, I should consume 70grams of protein
    per day?

    I started the Rosedale diet a little over 3 weeks ago. I've lost 11 lbs, 1"
    around my waist and my fasting blood sugar has dropped from 135-150 to below
    110. This has occurred eating between 75-80 grams of protein per day as I
    used the formula in Dr. Rosedale's book to calculate my protein intake.
    Using this calculation of present weight, waist and hip dimensions seems to
    give a result of higher amounts of protein than the simpler calculation
    which uses the ideal weight.

    I'm shorter than you and I can't imagine weighing 120lbs/60kg. At age 40 I
    weighted 140lb and wore a size 10/12 and would have been borderline anorexic
    if I weighed any less. At least that is my perception. Am I missing
    something?

    Is there any way I can get more info on Dr. Rosedale's perspective on pork?

    Sorry for all my questions, I just want to make sure I'm doing it right.
    Thanks for your help with my questions!

    Audrey

  3. Support Staff 3 Posted by Fiona on 18 May, 2011 11:15 PM

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    You did not take out the % for your fat, again we all have about 10% of fat at minumum that we want. So, 70-10% = 63 grams of protein which sounds about right. So, when you were 40, you felt that 140 was too skinny, then that gives you your goal, maybe 142/143. 60kg is about 132 pounds, for sure if I was 120 it would be too skinny, my size is about an 6-8 which I like, and fits well on my frame.

    Pork is a longer answer, I will try to corner him and maybe record his answer and share with everyone.

    Keep up the great work!

  4. 4 Posted by Jerry on 14 Mar, 2017 10:45 PM

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    But what about organic grass fed pork?

    We eat elk, deer, wild caught copper river salmon, king salmon, organic turkey, organic chicken and some organic free range grass fed pork.

  5. Support Staff 5 Posted by Ken Smith on 14 Mar, 2017 11:01 PM

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    Hi Jerry,

    Whether organic grass fed or not

    (Quote from Dr. Rosedale) The, "biochemicals in pork", are the closest match to human tissue which is why they're used for heart valves, insulin, etc. As such I think that they might be more likely to cause immune problems such as autoimmunity etc.

     

    Ken/   Rosedale Team

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  6. 6 Posted by southforkjm on 17 Mar, 2017 02:08 AM

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    Ken,
    Thank you for your information and now I almost feel sicken for even the thought of ever eating pork again. We must figure out what to do with about 70 pounds of our grass fed pork.

    Jerry Miley

  7. Support Staff 7 Posted by Ken Smith on 17 Mar, 2017 09:28 AM

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    Hi Jerry,

    When I realized the possibly myself - I had to re-evaluate pork. I have a dear friend that battles autoimmunity, for (30 plus years), was raised on a farm, eating plenty of pork and the older my friend gets - more the suffering. It is very sad.

     

    Ken/   Rosedale Team

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  8. 8 Posted by southforkjm on 17 Mar, 2017 10:13 PM

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    Greetings Ken,

    I have many questions concerning this diet. We keep having a hard time staying the course with Rosedale Diet. The first time we attempted this was after my wife found out she had type 2 diabetes (after a bout of Necrotizing Pancreatitis 5 years earlier).

    And after I had my gallbladder removed. We attended a class on my wife's behalf on how to eat, which did not make a lot of sense when the doctor said you must take this pill to compensate for certain foods.

    At the time I weighed 333 pounds at 5'11, and my wife 150 at 5'4". Between 2008 - 2011, I lost 87 pounds and my wife lost 20. We were trying to keep our protein around 45-55 grams per day and stayed solely on the "A" list only.

    Then beginning in 2011 we started hiking 500 miles in Sierras, CDT, Colorado Trail and Cascade trails in Oregon. But keep messing up as my sister kept pushing grains and French fries and hamburgers on us following extreme hiking as she said you need the salt

    We are trying to stay on Rosedale but it seems harder now then in 2008. Got any suggestions?

    Thanks,
    Jerry

  9. Support Staff 9 Posted by Ken Smith on 17 Mar, 2017 11:28 PM

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    Hi Jerry,

    Well, well, glad to meet fellow hikers. I would love to do some section hiking on the CDT and PCT. I am 67 now and I believe that Dr. Rosedale's Diet will meet the energy needs of long or not so long hikers. I sincerely believe that those grains, candy bars, hamburgers, etc are not needed even for the Thru Hikers.

    I am an avid hiker, but a novice one. However, I have hopes of being on the CDT one day - that would be awesome.

    I am a fan of Joe Brewer, Chris Berry, (Will Wood-Red Beard), hike734 and others.

    I lived in Wyoming back in the 1970s, loved that part of the world - was not a hiker at that time though.

    Weight wise I lost around 100 or so pounds on the Rosedale Diet , I will be on the Rosedale Diet 5 yrs. this coming June. My overall health has greatly improved. You can view some of my Rosedale Journey with the links below.

    I find it difficult to convince others, (even family members and friends), that being a fat burner is the way to go, even for hikers, especially Thru Hikers.

     

    • As far as suggestions: do not give up trying. It takes a life long commitment, even if others do not grasp it. I know of the temptations, at Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc, from others - many mean well Jerry and though they can see a change in you, many will not accept it.

    • You can use the general guide lines that Dr. Rosedale gives and develop you own personal way.

    • Accept others not understanding and keep on keeping on - you and your wife can do this.

     

    Ken/   Rosedale Team

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  10. 10 Posted by southforkjm on 18 Mar, 2017 06:30 PM

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    Hi Ken,

    Wow, small world and glad to meet you and who knows, someday we may meet on a trail. So where do you hike now? I am a Colorado native but currently stuck in Carson City Nevada via employment. In the past 6 years, we have hiked 3,300 miles and it would seem that hiking alone would have made us thin...but it has not. In 2011 when we began hiking, we both began gaining weight from our poor eating habits and each summer would start back on Rosedale Diet. And to think I had lost 87 pounds the first time, and was down to 247 pounds, but with the death of 5 family members between my wife's family and mine in 5 years, our emotional eating kicked in and I, now weigh 273 pounds and my wife also gained 25 pounds.

    This year was a bad winter so our hiking has nearly ceased as all the mountain trails in the Sierra's have 10+ feet of snow and we have gotten lazy at the thought of snowshoeing. Since June we've hiked only 300 miles and for the past 3 years we averaged 400 miles this time a year. For exercise now, we have been riding our bikes, but it's just not the same as planting our feet on mountain trails. We would rather be hiking in and where there is no one person.

    We just started back on the Rosedale Diet for about a week this time, and have encouraged each other by writing a contract with each other to not let the other person blow it. And if we eat out, salads only. We must stay the course as our life depends on it.

    Jerry

  11. Support Staff 11 Posted by Ken Smith on 18 Mar, 2017 07:36 PM

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    Hi Jerry

    I hike in a few State Parks here in southeast Missouri - 2 to 15 miles in distance. Would love to do a 100 to 500 miler to prove personally that being a fat burner will provide the energy required to do a long strenuous hike.

    Last June I hiked a 10 mile trail, that was really tick infested and ended up in the hospital a week later with tick disease, got to the point that my wife had to call an ambulance to take me to the hospital - did not have the strength to get off the couch.

    I went back and did the hike again last Saturday while it was cold - no tick problem this time. I too love being on the trail when I have it to myself, it's peaceful.

    • You have any videos of your hikes?

    • Your comment: (We must stay the course as our life depends on it.) Is well said and I might add that a longer healthier life at that.

    We here (staff) would love to know of your progress and what you have learned along the way.

     

    Ken/   Rosedale Team

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  12. 12 Posted by southforkjm on 18 Mar, 2017 09:37 PM

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    Ken,

    Wow, that is a jump from ranch lands of Wyoming to green Missouri.

    We have short snowshoeing videos near Lake Tahoe, sorry no hiking videos even though my wife wears a Go-Pro; lots of still pictures of our many hikes.

    I would love to share our progress and perhaps that would also help with the motivation.

    We've lost weight twice in our lives, the first time was in 1996-98, we were actually vegans for 9 months until on our way to go elk hunting with some friends stopped in at a McDonalds to use the facilities, only to leave there with 2 double cheese burgers and fries as the smell of cooked meat seemed to be the right answer.

    The second time for weight loss was beginning in 2008 and that is when we found the perfect diet...The Rosedale Diet. We knew this was a winner. The diet promoted high fat (did not make logical sense at the time and our families and friends thought we were nuts) but we began seeing the results and our blood tests were awesome.

    A few things we have learned on The Rosedale Diet: we eat a lot more fresh wild caught salmon, maybe even 3x per day. 2 oz. Grilled salmon for breakfast, a salmon Ceasar salad and sometimes salmon with spinach wrapped in a low carb tortilla. We end up eating salmon 7 meals per week, along with other fish, elk, deer. We don't drink any milk, try to leave cheese alone as I usually gain weight unless it's Feta or Parmesan. I love cheese too much so we leave it out of our diet. For 3 years starting in 2008, we only ate things on the "A" list. That seemed to be the most productive for weight loss. A few times we would eat our breakfast, lunch, but then used to go fishing and eat a few ounces of raw nuts and olives on the way home as supper. We did good by only consuming about 50-55 grams of protein and we counted everything back then including veg's. We still take the Carlson's fish or cod liver oil in gel caps. I do not know if I eat enough protein, but if it worked before it should work now.

    I'll write more later.

    Jerry

  13. Support Staff 13 Posted by Ken Smith on 19 Mar, 2017 12:07 PM

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    Life of Memories:

    From Kentucky to Alabama, to Missouri, to oilfields of Wyoming, back to Missouri, to Colorado Springs, back to Missouri, back to Kentucky, then back to Missouri has created many memories. Though born and raised in Kentucky - Wyoming has felt more like home.

    • From memories of failing health - to memories about how, a simple diet by Dr. Rosedale has given me memories of improving health.

    • Thanks Jerry for your input. Many will read of you and your wife's' journey on the Rosedale Diet and I believe it will be inspiring.

     

    Wishing you guys the best ...

    Ken/

  14. 14 Posted by southforkjm on 19 Mar, 2017 04:19 PM

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    Ken,

    People who move around gain a lot of experiences, more so than those who stay in there home county. I've lived all over Colorado, moved to Nebraska for USAF, back to Colorado, to Oregon for college, back to Colorado and now live in Nevada and wishing for a return to Colorado. Lots of memories and yes Rosedale Diet is a simple diet for improving health. We made it work for us once, we can do it again. One additional item that we have decided to do or should I say, is just not eat out as there are too many temptations to deal with.

    Jerry

  15. Support Staff 15 Posted by Ken Smith on 19 Mar, 2017 06:51 PM

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    Know what you mean.

    Looking forward to your input.

    Ken/

  16. 16 Posted by southforkjm on 20 Mar, 2017 03:20 PM

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    Ken,
    I have a question. Since Dr. Rosedale believes that Pork is bad for us, then why did he put it into his book on "B" List, as well as The Rosedale Health Plan? Why doesn't he say to stay away from Pork?

    Jerry

  17. Support Staff 17 Posted by Ken Smith on 20 Mar, 2017 07:34 PM

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    Jerry

    Perhaps Dr. Rosedale's open-ended statement: might be more likely to cause gives one a heads-up possibility with the option of a choice.

    or he became aware of the possibility after the previous material was published.

    His soon to be published material may address this possibility of: immune problems such as autoimmunity concerning pork.

    Ken/

  18. 18 Posted by southforkjm on 20 Mar, 2017 09:29 PM

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    Ken
    Can we hope Dr. Rosedale is writing another book?

    Jerry

  19. Support Staff 19 Posted by Ken Smith on 20 Mar, 2017 09:45 PM

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    Yes he is Jerry - it is getting near to being published as we speak

    • There will be an announcement made when the publication is available.

    We are excited!!

    Ken/

  20. 20 Posted by southforkjm on 20 Mar, 2017 09:53 PM

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    Yes, we are excited as well. We need new data to the science to help us stay the course..

    Jerry

  21. Support Staff 21 Posted by Ken Smith on 21 Mar, 2017 12:05 AM

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    :-)

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